Twisted Sticks January 2006 Newsletter
Well I can definitely say you are not getting your moneys worth with
this newsletter. I had writer's block. Couldn't think of a thing to say
so I put it off. Then of course it's off to work I go and the paint line
wouldn't run. They had changed to festooning cables over the holiday and
done it live. I could simply scream. Now the right way would have been
to turn the power off. It's a 480 VAC and 24 VDC system. The hired crew
(which supposedly had a Master Electrician in charge) turned the 480 off
and simply cut through the remaining 24 VDC cables. This blew out one or
more inputs. Needless to say it wouldn't run.
The only good came from the fact that I had another system with a PLC
controller. This was scheduled to go live in two weeks time after the
documentation was written and the crews trained on how to use it. This
system is part of the reason I only used one and a quarter gallons of
fuel last year. It's hard to test a system when the company is using it.
So I tested it on Sundays when everyone else was off. Well I'm happy to
say it is running. After a couple of 14 hours days the operator are
trained and everyone is happy. I still need to write the documentation.
Just like I still need to finish this blasted newsletter.
LiPo cells for the first time user
The following is from RC Groups http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209187
Data - Complete Guide to Lithium Polymer Batteries and LiPo Failure
Reports
After seeing the many many posts on LiPoly's and answering similar
questions time after time I've decided to put up a guide for using
LiPoly batteries.
Lithium batteries are the preferred power sources for most electric
modelers today. They offer high discharge rates and a high energy
storage/weight ratio. However, using them properly and charging them
correctly is no trivial task. There are many things to consider before
using lithium cells for e-flight. But none is more important than
safety.
1. Charging/Saftey IMPORTANT!
Until you are willing to follow all saftey precautions, DO NOT use
lithium batteries. If your a type of person that prefers to push the
limits of products, or be haphazard about following saftey requirements.
Lithium technology is not for you. Read on to find out why.
Lithium cells must be charged very differently than NiCad or NiMH. They
require a special charger specifically designed to charge lithium cells.
In general any charger that can charge lithium ion can charge lithium
polymer, assuming that the cell count is correct. You must NEVER charge
lithium cells with a NiCad or NiMH only battery charger. This is
dangerous. Charging cells is the most hazardous part of using lithium
batteries. EXTREME care must be taken when charging them. It is
important to set your charger to the correct voltage or cell count.
Failure to do this can cause the battery to spew violent flames. There
have been many fires directly caused by lithium batteries. PLEASE BE
RESPONSIBLE when charging lithium batteries.
Here are a few MANDATORY guidelines for charging/using LiPos (Lithium
Polymer Batteries).
1. Use only a charger approved for lithium batteries. The charger may be
designed for Li-Ion or Li-Poly. Both batteries are charged in exactly
the same. Some older cell phone chargers may charge the batteries .1
volt to low (4.1 vs 4.2), but that will not harm the battery. However,
inexpensive lithium chargers are widely available and the use of
cellphone chargers is highly discouraged.
2. Make certain that the correct cell count is set on your charger.
Watch the charger very closely for the first few minutes to ensure that
the correct cell count continues to be displayed. If you don't know how
to do that, get a charger that you do know how or don't charge the
batteries.
3. Use the Taps. Before you charge a new Lithium pack, check the voltage
of each cell individually. Then do this after every tenth cycle there
after. This is absolutely critical in that an unbalanced pack can
explode while charging even if the correct cell count is chosen. If the
cells are not within 0.1 volts of each other then charge each cell
individually to 4.2 volts so that they are all equal. If after every
discharge the pack is unbalanced you have a faulty cell and that pack
must be replaced.
Taps are provided on most new lithium packs. Taps give you the ability
to check individual cell voltages and charge one cell at a time. Make
sure and get the appropriate connector to go into your taps. Don't try
to stick you volt meter probes in the taps to measure voltage. They
could slip and short your cells. Don't try to charge more than one cell
at a time from the taps. Unless you have an isolated ground charging
system, you'll short your batteries out. Refer to your individual cell
maker for tap pin-outs.
4. NEVER charge the batteries unattended. This is the number one reason
for houses and cars being burned to a crisp by lithium fires.
5. Use a safe surface to charge your batteries on so that if they burst
into flame no damage will occur. Vented fire safes, pyrex dishes with
sand in the bottom, fireplaces, plant pots, are all good options.
6. DO NOT CHARGE AT MORE THAN 1C unless specifically authorized by the
pack vendor. I have personally had a fire in my home because of
violating this rule. Todays highest discharge batteries can supposedly
be safely charged at greater than 1C, however so far in all cases doing
so shortens the life of the pack. Better to buy 3 packs than to try to
charge 1 pack 3 times quickly. This may change in the future but as of
Winter 2005 1C is still the recommended charge rate.
7. DO NOT puncture the cell, ever. If a cell balloons quickly place it
in a fire safe place, especially if you were charging it when it
ballooned. After you have let the cell sit in the fire safe place for at
least 2 hours. Discharge the cell/pack slowly. This can be done by
wiring a flashlight bulb of appropriate voltage (higher is voltage is
ok, lower voltage is no) up to your batteries connector type and
attaching the bulb to the battery. Wait until the light is completely
off, then throw the battery away.
8. If you crash with your lithium cells they may be damaged such that
they are shorted inside. The cells may look just fine. If you crash in
ANY way carefully remove the battery pack from the aircraft and watch it
carefully for at least the next 20 min. Several fires have been caused
by damaged cells being thrown in the car and then the cells catch fire
later and destroys the car completely.
9. Charge your batteries in a open ventilated area. If a battery does
rupture or explode hazardous fumes and material will spew from the
battery.
10. Keep a bucket of sand nearby when you are flying or charging
batteries. This is a cost effective way to extinguish fires. This is
very cheap and absolutly necessary.
11. It can happen to you, do not think to yourself that "it won't happen
to me" as soon as you do that it you'll be trying to rescue your kids
from your burning house or car. I'm very serious about this.
Now that we have covered that important topic let's move on to lighter
matters:
2. Lithium What?
Lithium Polymer batteries are used in many electronic devices. Cell
Phone, Laptops, PDA's, Hearing Aids just to name a few. Most, if not
all, lithium polymer batteries are not designed for RC use, we use them
in different applications than they were designed for. They are similar
to Lithium Ion batteries in that they each have a nominal voltage of 3.6
volts, but dissimilar in that they do not have a hard metal casing but
rather a flexible material encloses the chemicals inside. The "normal"
lithium polymer batteries are thin rectangle shapes with two tabs on the
top one positive one negative. The reason we use Lithium cells is that
they are significantly lighter than comparable NiCad or NiMH batteries,
which makes our planes fly longer and better.
3. Voltage and Cell Count:
LiPolys act differently than NiCad or NiMH batteries do when charging
and discharging. Lithium batteries are fully charged when each cell has
a voltage of 4.2 volts. They are fully discharged when each cell has a
voltage of 3.0 volts. It is important not to exceed both the high
voltage of 4.2 volts and the low voltage of 3.0 volts. Exceeding these
limits can harm the battery.
The way to ensure that you do not go below 3.0 volts while flying is to
set the low voltage cutoff (LVC) of your electronic speed control (ESC).
It important to use a programmable ESC since the correct voltage cutoff
is critical to the life of your batteries. Use the ESC's programming
mode to set the LVC to 3.0 volts per cell with a hard cutoff, or 3.3
volts per cell with a soft cutoff. If your ESC does not have hard or
soft cutoff, use 3.0 volts per cell. You will know when flying that it
is time to land when you experience a sudden drop in power caused by the
LVC.
If your ESC has an automatic lithium mode. Use it, it will correctly
sense the number of cells and set the auto cutoff appropriately.
If you have previously been flying with NiCad or NiMH batteries,
switching over to lithium polymer will result in a different number of
cells being used. If you had 6 to 7 round cells then 2 lithium polymer
cells will correctly duplicate the voltage of those cells. If you had
10-11 cells then 3 lithium polymer cells would be right for you. There
are a lot of 8 cell flyer's out there that are stuck between 2 and 3
cells. In my experience the best option is to determine how many watts
you were using before and duplicate that with your LiPos, Motor, and
Prop. For example. If you were running 8 cells (9.6volts) at 10 amps on
a speed 400 airplane, then you have 9.6 x10, 96 watts. So if you went
with 2 lithium polymer cells (7.2 volts nominal) then you'd need to
change your prop such that you used 13 amps. If you went to 3 LiPoly's
(10.8 volts nominal) then you'd need to reduce the amperage to 8.9 amps.
These estimates are approximate, and some experimentation is required
for best results but conserving Watts is a good way to start.
4.10C from 3S4P? Naming conventions explained.
How fast a battery can discharge is it's maximum current capacity.
Current is generally rated in C's for the battery. C is how long it
takes to discharge the battery in fractions of an hour. For instance 1 C
discharges the battery in 1/1 hours or 1 hour. 2 C discharges the
battery in ½ or half an hour. All RC batteries are rated in milli Amp
hours. If a battery is rated at 2000 mAh and you discharge it at 2000mA
(or 2 amps, 1 amp = 1000mA) it will be completely discharged in one
hour. The C rating of the battery is thus based on its capacity. A
2000mAh cell discharged a 2 amps is being discharged at 1C (2000mA x 1),
a 2000mAh cell discharged at 6 amps is being discharged at 3C( 2000mA x
3).
All batteries have limitations on how fast they can discharge. Because
of this many LiPoly batteries are put in parallel to increase the
current capacity of the battery pack. When 2 batteries are wired
positive to positive and negative to negative they become like one
battery with double the capacity. If you have 2 2000mAh cells and you
wire them in parallel then the result is the same as 1 4000mAh cell.
This 4000mAh cell has the same C rating as the original 2000mAh cells
did. Thus if the 2000mAh cells could discharge at a maximum of 5C, or 10
amps then the new 4000mAh cell can also discharge at 5C or (4000mA x 5)
20 amps. This method of battery pack building allows us to use LiPoly
batteries at higher currents than single cells could produce.
The naming convention that allows you to decipher how many cells are in
parallel and how many are in series is the XSXP method. The number in
front of the S represents the number of series cells in the pack so 3S
means it's a 3 cell pack. The number in front of P means the number of
cells in parallel. So a 3S4P pack of 2100mAh cells has a total of 12
cells inside. It will have the voltage of any other 3S pack since the
number of cells in series determines the voltage. It will have the
current handling of 4 times the maximum C rating of the 12 individual
cells. So say our 3S4P pack had a maximum discharge of 6C. That means
that it has a nominal voltage of 10.8 volts (3x3.6) and a maximum
discharge rate of 50.4 amps (2100mAh x 6Cx4P ).
5. Which battery should you buy?
With so many choices out there it is difficult to decipher what is
marketing hype, what is brand
loyalty, and what is outright lies. Battery manufacturers are constantly
trying to one up one another. While capitalism can drive prices down, it
also can give cause to false claims about products.
One great way to find out what the best battery is, is to look at graphs
of the batteries performance. Looking at how low the voltage of the cell
drops at various amperages will give you a metric to compare that
battery to similar size/weight batteries.
If graphs aren't your thing then simply look at what other people are
using in successful setups that are similar to your application. If a
lot of people are reporting long flight times and lots of power from
airplane X, with power system Y, and battery Z and you do the same, then
if your setup is similar the same battery will probably work well for
you.
It pays to learn something about Watts, Volts, and Amps. Understanding
these concepts is beyond the scope of this document, but can serve you
well in not only figuring out what battery is best but also in your
electric aircraft hobby.
I'm not convinced that a 30C battery is really any better than a 10 or
20C battery. Sure a higher C rating means it can discharge faster. But
at the same time a battery discharged at 20C continuously will be empty
in 3 minutes. Do you really only want to use the battery for 3 minutes?
I love having burst power in helicopters and boats, but in almost all
other applications actually running a battery at or above 20C is useless
to me. I prefer to run batteries at 8-10 C and have a little headroom if
I need it.
A final note on choosing a battery. Don't cheap out. Confirm that your
batteries are capable of running that the amperage level you plan to use
them at. Running a cell at a higher C rating than the battery can handle
can not only damage your batteries, but it can also damage your speed
control. Castle Creations has an excellent article on how using a weak
battery can destroy a perfectly good speed control of any brand. Better
to buy a bit better battery than you need than to destroy your
electronics.
6. Dealing with temperature.
Lithium batteries like heat, but not too much. In the wintertime, try to
keep your batteries from the cold as much as possible. Leave them in the
car while your flying, or keep them in your cargo pants... etc. At the
same time don't let them heat up too much. Try to keep your batteries
from reaching 160F after use. This will prolong the life of the cells. A
good way to measure temperature is a handheld IR meter, they can be
found for around $50.00 at most hobby shops.
If you have any suggestions for future sections or additions to the
current document let me know and I'll add the information requested...if
I know the answer!
-Jim
Last edited by Jim McPherson : Dec 14, 2005 at 09:51 PM.
Yah I know it was long winded but I thought it worth printing.
Meeting at Dales' 7PM Thursday 1-12-06 7PM
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